{"id":280,"date":"2017-12-20T17:21:11","date_gmt":"2017-12-20T22:21:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/expectedly.org\/blog\/?page_id=280"},"modified":"2017-12-24T02:50:44","modified_gmt":"2017-12-24T07:50:44","slug":"intelligence-and-value-judgements","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/expectedly.org\/blog\/intelligence-and-value-judgements\/","title":{"rendered":"Intelligence and value judgements"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I think intelligence (fast learning, metalexia or god forbid, &#8216;giftedness&#8217;) and intellectual disability (slow learning, sometimes learning difficulties or disabilities in the UK and Ireland) should be treated as value-neutral phenomena, not determiners of human worth.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Neurodivergence thing I have complicated feelings about: the idea of \u2018giftedness\u2019. First off, I hate the word and some of the concepts surrounding it.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941758451700715522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I do think that the term *does* refer to an atypical learning style. <\/p>\n<p>That said, it is valorised as ideal by some people, especially when contrasted with people with intellectual disabilities.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941758781612052482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I think providing accelerated classes and more complex materials for people with this label is a good thing. <\/p>\n<p>Treating people considered \u2018intelligent\u2019 as better than people who are not is wrong and disablist.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941759080976322560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I speak as somebody who grew up with this label in conjunction with my autism diagnosis. I was\/am \u2018twice-exceptional\u2019. <\/p>\n<p>But I am not better than somebody with an ID.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941759305199611904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">My support needs and learning style are different. But that doesn\u2019t mean that people with an ID are worth less than me. We\u2019re all people.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941759438880493568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I don\u2019t think it\u2019s helpful to treat people who fit the so-called \u2018gifted\u2019 (ugh this fucking WORD) learning pattern as being better than everybody else. <\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s just counterproductive.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941760895625121792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I seriously think we need a new word for this kind of thinking that doesn\u2019t come with a value judgement.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941761780325502976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I have the impression that it\u2019s same goes for folks with ID, but as I don\u2019t have an ID, I will let people with direct experience lead that particular conversation.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941762022315880450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">And any terminology used should avoid anything referring to \u2018mental age\u2019, an inaccurate and disablist concept.<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/lauralovesian1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@lauralovesian1<\/a> wrote a great article for <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NOSeditorial?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@NOSeditorial<\/a> about this a while back.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941762769929596928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">An adult with an ID is still an adult. A \u2018gifted\u2019 child is still a child. <\/p>\n<p>They may learn differently from other people their age, but they\u2019re still their age and have specific developmental needs.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941763008098983936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Also, you can be \u2018gifted\u2019 AND have a developmental disability like autism or cerebral palsy. An ID is a subtype of DD; they\u2019re not the same thing.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941766291798609921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">There\u2019s a concept you see in \u2018gifted\u2019 (yes, I\u2019m still putting it in dick quotes because THAT FUCKING WORD) circles called \u2018asynchronous development\u2019, which I love.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941766807865528321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">And if you fit this profile *and* are autistic, you feel really out of sync. <\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s less prominent now that I have friends both online and off who have similar experiences, but it was much harder when I was a kid\/teenager.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941768352330108928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I feel out of sync compared to the *general public*, but having a community really helps. The internet was a godsend for me in my late teens. So was moving to urban areas as an adult.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941769130167930880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I was honestly toying with a word to replace \u2018gifted\u2019 last night because I was tired of using it to refer to a set of learning patterns.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941773209673793537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The one I liked the most was \u2018metalexia\u2019 (basically, I took the root meaning of \u2018intelligence\u2019 in Latin and attempted to change it to Greek).<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941773500980789249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">\u2018Intelligence\u2019 literally means \u2018reading-between\u2019 (inter+legere) in Latin. I just flipped languages, though I used \u2018meta\u2019 because it was the closest thing to \u2018between\u2019 or \u2018among\u2019 I could find.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941773725992734721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en-gb\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">\u2018Meta\u2019 is either \u2018with\u2019 or \u2018behind\u2019 or \u2018among\u2019 &#8211; the \u2018among\u2019 meaning was why I chose it. \u2018Metalexia\u2019 is \u2018reading-among\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Festive Finn &#x2744;&#xfe0f;&#x1f384; (@phineasfrogg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/phineasfrogg\/status\/941774040200511488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">15 December 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<div class=\"syndication-links\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I think intelligence (fast learning, metalexia or god forbid, &#8216;giftedness&#8217;) and intellectual disability (slow learning, sometimes learning difficulties or disabilities in the UK and Ireland) should be treated as value-neutral phenomena, not determiners of human worth. 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